And I hope you do not intend paying those "fines"? This stuff is all illegal, they have no right to demand you take any medical procedure, including and especially a genetic test.
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/fraser-valley-woman-has-5750-covid-violation-ticket-dropped-by-crown/ “Fraser Valley woman has $5,750 COVID violation ticket dropped by Crown“ (Surrey Now-Lader, 2022.05.12): “An unnamed Chilliwack woman has had a $5,750 COVID ticket dropped by Crown counsel, according to the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF). When she arrived at the border, Ms. C was informed by government agents that she would have to submit to a PCR test,” according to the release. “Ms. C politely and respectfully declined, on grounds of bodily autonomy and personal health.“
Oh no, of course I'm not going to pay it. I did actually contact the JCCF to see if they'd be willing to take the case on, but if not I'll just ignore it. You're absolutely correct none of this is legal.
More and more people are doing it. I was contacted by The Democracy Fund,a legal organization here in Canada that is seeking litigants for a constitutional challenge to the ArriveCan app. I didn't quite qualify, but the lawyer offered to pass me on to a paralegal in case she has space for another ticket. She's dealing with 1300 right now.
Fabulous!! This is absolutely the best news I've heard in days.
People in the US (myself included) have been watching in horror at what's been happening in Canada, and it has been so tremendously heartening to see how many of you have been standing up and pushing back.
Your integrity and commitment (indeed, heroism) are admirable.
It's tough. I have to admit my first instinct was to flee the country. I'm more inclined to stay and fight now, with eyes open in case the time for leaving comes. You in the US are a little better off for now.
Wow, it is amazing that this is occurring in western "civil" society and that you were fined so much! Such horrible policies made by sociopathic control freaks who appear to only be listening to evil, mindlessly obeying their psycho authoritarian overlords. So much propaganda and force happening. I hope that your rights to autonomy in your health choices will eventually be upheld and that the excessive fines will turn out to be recognized for the civil rights violations that they are. God bless you for your courage and perseverance! I hope you have a supportive community close by that will help you in upholding your rights and in fighting this corruption.
I'm a lover of math so my COVID views never aligned with most people. Most people give up on math in middle school and figure they will never use it. Lots of things in nature and with recent innovations have begun to follow exponential growth. Most people don't care and hence cannot grasp the implications. The only thing that matters with any disease is (1) morbidity and (2) spread. Those two numbers, alone can govern response in a sensible world. Humans are real good at over-responding and under-responding. So it goes. COVID turned out to be slightly higher morbidity than the flu and lower propensity to spread. Our bungling of the response will only have implications when something like a smallpox (30% morbidity) and spread like the flu comes along. When it does, crazy folks will go to their respective corners and lots of us will die. COVID was a stupendous failure to educate the public. Sorry for the longish opinion.
No need at all to say sorry, it's a very sensible opinion and I'm basically in agreement. The first thing that opened my eyes to the fact that the thing was being overblown was going to the Canadian government's own covid stats dashboard and doing some basic math to figure out the case fatality rate, which was 0.6%. I figured that many cases probably weren't even reported and thus the real CFR (or what I guess is the IFR, infection fatality rate) was probably even lower.
The catastrophic death toll in NYC at the beginning of the pandemic, I believe, was the statistical outlier that drove an extremely conservative and excessive response. Most people fashion their beliefs based upon their tribal beliefs I think. Our brains are good at ignoring the math and instead listen to someone who shouts the loudest. I think the ONLY GOOD THING that came out of the pandemic was the exploration and mastery of using Messenger RNA. This will revolutionize our world.
Definitely. I have friends who lived in NYC during that period and are still convinced the covid response was justified because the wife got very sick for a month and a friend of theirs died. Many have explored the possible explanations for the unusual death toll in NYC and Northern Italy, and have offered theories such as hospital response. The SOC in NYC was ventilation, which we now know was killing people. I was able to confirm that my friends' friend who died was ventilated. I was not able to ask if he was given Remdesivir, which is toxic to kidneys and he already was very ill with kidney failure.
I'm afraid I don't share your optimism about the mRNA technology. I don't know if you are up to date on the evidence of the toxicity of the covid mRNA injections? Perhaps you are and think the problems can be overcome, but I am not so optimistic that tinkering with our cellular machinery is likely to have good results. Time will tell.
I have extended family in NYC. We had a long-term renter family from Northern Italy (Dolomites region) at the time living here in MN. Each of the very high outbreak areas are a testament to the vagaries of outcomes. There was similar outbreak conditions near New Orleans. That is kind of what the pressure maps around exponential functions are all about in math. It is hard to explain, people get bored and charlatans can step in and grab the mic. This happened on both sides with COVID. Sad.
Witnessed by the title and tone of my Newsletter, I am an optimist. When I step back and realize we trudged for 200K years and only in 1797 did we finally make our first vaccine, we are lucky to live in the age of these innovations. I am glad we are putting the age of growing vaccines in eggshells in the rearview mirror. I think the first vaccine, Jenner's treatment for smallpox is instructive. Lots of people spooked and wanted live virus smeared under their skin because that is the way we had always done it. It took 170 years but smallpox, likely the worst scourge in the history of humanity was declared gone from the earth in my lifetime. Pretty cool story and perhaps the best thing we ever did collectively. I think smallpox killed 3X as many people as the two World Wars combined just in the first 60 years of the 20th century. I think when the next virus mutates, the ability to simply study it and encode it's vaccine and let our body naturally propagate it will be a great thing. I can understand people being anxious about how it works. I have not studied the issue and I lack the training to understand it I am afraid.
I believe that Brian Peckford's lawsuit against the Canadian government finally will go forward on October 31st and perhaps will bring all this nonsense to an end.
We can certainly hope and pray, but the rot in our country and government is very deep and we likely will have to keep fighting even if that decision goes in our favour.
That my dear is all we need to hear, now; if only more would follow suit, and do something to show civil disobedience, no matter how small. I am with you 100%!
You are much richer than me, that would break my bank. I hope you somehow can avoid paying it, even if it means sueing Justin and his ilk. Humans failing the humanity test.
Oh I definitely don't plan on paying it. Even if I could afford it, I don't believe it has a just foundation and so morally I wouldn't. I have contacted a legal centre which is very involved in defending freedom here in Canada to see if they are interested in taking the case. But I have also heard these fines aren't legal and don't hold up in court and many people just ignore them. We'll see.
I am glad to hear that Oh Susanna, I suppose the woman in the red vest felt very satisified about her quota for the day. I am sure you will keep us posted, but remember how traumatic this ticket was for you, if in truth it would break your bank too. Emotional trauma damages should be pursued as well.
Thank you! To be honest it hasn't been traumatic at all. Two reasons: one, this isn't my first time in this rodeo. The only other time I crossed during covid restrictions, I was caught off guard because I didn't know the process and said I'd quarantine when the CBSA officer told me that was my only option if I didn't declare my "vaccine" status. But when I read the documents he gave me and realized it was a way of discriminating against "unvaccinated" people, I got angry and decided I wasn't going to do any of it. That was actually a bit terrifying because I expected police or public health to show up any time and arrest me. The government called me multiple times a day, which made it all more intimidating (I didn't answer). However the panic died down once I'd spoken to a few people who said I was unlikely to get arrested and just not to answer the door if they showed up. So this time around, I'm a bit more prepared. Secondly, I went into this eyes wide open and made the decision to not cooperate knowing I was likely to get fined. However, I have heard from multiple sources that the fines are not standing up in court, and that some people just ignore them.
I am thinking the better thing to do is to SUE them, otherwise they have no punishment, other than not collecting their money. I understand few will take on sueing a city or the gov, but for them to continue to intimidate this way is very wrong, and they should actually be punished, fined, much more money, for their stupidity, or it will continue indefinitely. I know you will keep us posted Best from ORegon
And I hope you do not intend paying those "fines"? This stuff is all illegal, they have no right to demand you take any medical procedure, including and especially a genetic test.
https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/fraser-valley-woman-has-5750-covid-violation-ticket-dropped-by-crown/ “Fraser Valley woman has $5,750 COVID violation ticket dropped by Crown“ (Surrey Now-Lader, 2022.05.12): “An unnamed Chilliwack woman has had a $5,750 COVID ticket dropped by Crown counsel, according to the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF). When she arrived at the border, Ms. C was informed by government agents that she would have to submit to a PCR test,” according to the release. “Ms. C politely and respectfully declined, on grounds of bodily autonomy and personal health.“
Oh no, of course I'm not going to pay it. I did actually contact the JCCF to see if they'd be willing to take the case on, but if not I'll just ignore it. You're absolutely correct none of this is legal.
I'm so impressed! Thank you for standing up and speaking out!
More and more people are doing it. I was contacted by The Democracy Fund,a legal organization here in Canada that is seeking litigants for a constitutional challenge to the ArriveCan app. I didn't quite qualify, but the lawyer offered to pass me on to a paralegal in case she has space for another ticket. She's dealing with 1300 right now.
Fabulous!! This is absolutely the best news I've heard in days.
People in the US (myself included) have been watching in horror at what's been happening in Canada, and it has been so tremendously heartening to see how many of you have been standing up and pushing back.
Your integrity and commitment (indeed, heroism) are admirable.
It's tough. I have to admit my first instinct was to flee the country. I'm more inclined to stay and fight now, with eyes open in case the time for leaving comes. You in the US are a little better off for now.
. . . for now . . . .
Time alone will tell . . . .
Wow, it is amazing that this is occurring in western "civil" society and that you were fined so much! Such horrible policies made by sociopathic control freaks who appear to only be listening to evil, mindlessly obeying their psycho authoritarian overlords. So much propaganda and force happening. I hope that your rights to autonomy in your health choices will eventually be upheld and that the excessive fines will turn out to be recognized for the civil rights violations that they are. God bless you for your courage and perseverance! I hope you have a supportive community close by that will help you in upholding your rights and in fighting this corruption.
Proud of you for standing up on your ground and for your rights! It's time for Canadian to wake up to all these charades and covid theatre!
Badass! Let the Civil Disobedience games commence!
A new lurker here -- wow does your treatment ever seem excessive!
Welcome to Canada during the "pandemic" :D
I'm a lover of math so my COVID views never aligned with most people. Most people give up on math in middle school and figure they will never use it. Lots of things in nature and with recent innovations have begun to follow exponential growth. Most people don't care and hence cannot grasp the implications. The only thing that matters with any disease is (1) morbidity and (2) spread. Those two numbers, alone can govern response in a sensible world. Humans are real good at over-responding and under-responding. So it goes. COVID turned out to be slightly higher morbidity than the flu and lower propensity to spread. Our bungling of the response will only have implications when something like a smallpox (30% morbidity) and spread like the flu comes along. When it does, crazy folks will go to their respective corners and lots of us will die. COVID was a stupendous failure to educate the public. Sorry for the longish opinion.
No need at all to say sorry, it's a very sensible opinion and I'm basically in agreement. The first thing that opened my eyes to the fact that the thing was being overblown was going to the Canadian government's own covid stats dashboard and doing some basic math to figure out the case fatality rate, which was 0.6%. I figured that many cases probably weren't even reported and thus the real CFR (or what I guess is the IFR, infection fatality rate) was probably even lower.
The catastrophic death toll in NYC at the beginning of the pandemic, I believe, was the statistical outlier that drove an extremely conservative and excessive response. Most people fashion their beliefs based upon their tribal beliefs I think. Our brains are good at ignoring the math and instead listen to someone who shouts the loudest. I think the ONLY GOOD THING that came out of the pandemic was the exploration and mastery of using Messenger RNA. This will revolutionize our world.
Definitely. I have friends who lived in NYC during that period and are still convinced the covid response was justified because the wife got very sick for a month and a friend of theirs died. Many have explored the possible explanations for the unusual death toll in NYC and Northern Italy, and have offered theories such as hospital response. The SOC in NYC was ventilation, which we now know was killing people. I was able to confirm that my friends' friend who died was ventilated. I was not able to ask if he was given Remdesivir, which is toxic to kidneys and he already was very ill with kidney failure.
I'm afraid I don't share your optimism about the mRNA technology. I don't know if you are up to date on the evidence of the toxicity of the covid mRNA injections? Perhaps you are and think the problems can be overcome, but I am not so optimistic that tinkering with our cellular machinery is likely to have good results. Time will tell.
I have extended family in NYC. We had a long-term renter family from Northern Italy (Dolomites region) at the time living here in MN. Each of the very high outbreak areas are a testament to the vagaries of outcomes. There was similar outbreak conditions near New Orleans. That is kind of what the pressure maps around exponential functions are all about in math. It is hard to explain, people get bored and charlatans can step in and grab the mic. This happened on both sides with COVID. Sad.
Witnessed by the title and tone of my Newsletter, I am an optimist. When I step back and realize we trudged for 200K years and only in 1797 did we finally make our first vaccine, we are lucky to live in the age of these innovations. I am glad we are putting the age of growing vaccines in eggshells in the rearview mirror. I think the first vaccine, Jenner's treatment for smallpox is instructive. Lots of people spooked and wanted live virus smeared under their skin because that is the way we had always done it. It took 170 years but smallpox, likely the worst scourge in the history of humanity was declared gone from the earth in my lifetime. Pretty cool story and perhaps the best thing we ever did collectively. I think smallpox killed 3X as many people as the two World Wars combined just in the first 60 years of the 20th century. I think when the next virus mutates, the ability to simply study it and encode it's vaccine and let our body naturally propagate it will be a great thing. I can understand people being anxious about how it works. I have not studied the issue and I lack the training to understand it I am afraid.
I applaud your courage.
I believe that Brian Peckford's lawsuit against the Canadian government finally will go forward on October 31st and perhaps will bring all this nonsense to an end.
We can certainly hope and pray, but the rot in our country and government is very deep and we likely will have to keep fighting even if that decision goes in our favour.
I salute you, a thousand fold. I would have done the same. Eileen
That's what we need, the more people who don't comply the better.
Thanks for your bravery!
Thanks, it's very very small compared to what so many others are doing, but all of us have to do the little bit we can.
That my dear is all we need to hear, now; if only more would follow suit, and do something to show civil disobedience, no matter how small. I am with you 100%!
You are much richer than me, that would break my bank. I hope you somehow can avoid paying it, even if it means sueing Justin and his ilk. Humans failing the humanity test.
Oh I definitely don't plan on paying it. Even if I could afford it, I don't believe it has a just foundation and so morally I wouldn't. I have contacted a legal centre which is very involved in defending freedom here in Canada to see if they are interested in taking the case. But I have also heard these fines aren't legal and don't hold up in court and many people just ignore them. We'll see.
I am glad to hear that Oh Susanna, I suppose the woman in the red vest felt very satisified about her quota for the day. I am sure you will keep us posted, but remember how traumatic this ticket was for you, if in truth it would break your bank too. Emotional trauma damages should be pursued as well.
Thank you! To be honest it hasn't been traumatic at all. Two reasons: one, this isn't my first time in this rodeo. The only other time I crossed during covid restrictions, I was caught off guard because I didn't know the process and said I'd quarantine when the CBSA officer told me that was my only option if I didn't declare my "vaccine" status. But when I read the documents he gave me and realized it was a way of discriminating against "unvaccinated" people, I got angry and decided I wasn't going to do any of it. That was actually a bit terrifying because I expected police or public health to show up any time and arrest me. The government called me multiple times a day, which made it all more intimidating (I didn't answer). However the panic died down once I'd spoken to a few people who said I was unlikely to get arrested and just not to answer the door if they showed up. So this time around, I'm a bit more prepared. Secondly, I went into this eyes wide open and made the decision to not cooperate knowing I was likely to get fined. However, I have heard from multiple sources that the fines are not standing up in court, and that some people just ignore them.
I am thinking the better thing to do is to SUE them, otherwise they have no punishment, other than not collecting their money. I understand few will take on sueing a city or the gov, but for them to continue to intimidate this way is very wrong, and they should actually be punished, fined, much more money, for their stupidity, or it will continue indefinitely. I know you will keep us posted Best from ORegon
Thanks dear! Best to you.
Can you tell me
How to get around quarantining when I come over into Canada? And Canadians can come to the USA without a vax?